Why Shouldnt I Buy a 335 vert instead of an e46 M3 vert ?

Originally Posted by Oz 330

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They are notorious for self gratifying readings ...


Raiha i dont think I can make Araluen, but thanks for the offer !

Ive done a bit more research, and I dont think i will ever get the rasp I am thinking of, it is specific to the shim operated individual throttle bodied S54, but I can see there are some nice sounding n54s out there!

My budget will prob be maxxed to $80k ( just cant justify spending more ) but realistically ill prob want to stay under $65k

The reason I was saying DCT is I loved the SMG, i love you it would crash through the gears and the thuds in s5/6 , the AT felt so soft I was hoping maybe the DCT has some of that firmness to it ?

I think either car I go with will end up with New Wheels and New Exhaust and possibly intake ...

If i get one in good cond i will prob leave the susp as is, but firm it up (strut and sway bars) and obviously the go fast bits on the 335 ...

I was definately not sold on the 335 having driven the stock one, but I know i wouldnt be buying it to keep it stock, where as the M could stay jsut the way it is and I would always have a smile on my face ...

Its almost like picking between a wife (3) and a mistress (M) ...

To me it sounds like you prefer the M3 and trying to justify the purchase of a 335i

It has been a while since I drove a SMG E46 M3 but I do have that "Thud" when my car goes through the gear.

Originally Posted by Worx

Just piss that wood trim off and get the BMW performance hand brake and gear knob. Also the performance steering wheel. That fixes them a lot! I fitted a M3 idrive knob to mine also.

Mine had Warranty on it, just depend on how much you care I guess.

Definitely the BMW Performance alcantara trim are awesome

I also retrofitted the M5 SMG knob onto my car

Originally Posted by RaihaX

To me it sounds like you prefer the M3 and trying to justify the purchase of a 335i

It has been a while since I drove a SMG E46 M3 but I do have that "Thud" when my car goes through the gear.

Oh, I definatley prefer the M, and I am absolutely trying to justify the 335i, mainly because there is so many more to chose from, they are in much better condition and they will be a smarter bet in the long run.

Is yours a DCT or Auto ?

Didnt know an Auto could change like that unless modified ...

Originally Posted by Oz 330

Oh, I definatley prefer the M, and I am absolutely trying to justify the 335i, mainly because there is so many more to chose from, they are in much better condition and they will be a smarter bet in the long run.

Is yours a DCT or Auto ?

Didnt know an Auto could change like that unless modified ...

Yeah one of the main reason why i bought my car the more sensible buy.

Mine is an auto.

Originally Posted by Worx

I don't know 320 RWKW feels pretty good! and a lot quicker.

Just curious, what mods were required to take the 335i to 320rwkw? and is there a dyno sheet or video of the dyno?

I'm not trying to say Worx is wrong because the vast majority of people I know have shared his sentiments, but I have had nothing but a fantastic experience with aftermarket dealer warranties. I have had over $4000 of work done on my 330i just under statutory warranty and it wasn't a hassle at all. Also had a dodgy dealer warranty on a Mitsubishi 380 and the warranty was paid for over about six months of Bitsaremissing repairs

I think if you're considering the 335i you won't be happy with the M3. I think it's a car that you need to want exclusively because its so much more than go, stop and turn. Personally I would M3 it because of the raspy NA engine and E46 chassis. Not a fan of the E93 at all. HOWEVER, I honestly think in the grand scheme of things an E93 is probably a better car... especially with a bit of gear on it.
Mind you, I would suspect in a couple of years an E93 may become a maintenance pig...

Originally Posted by Turbo BMW

Just curious, what mods were required to take the 335i to 320rwkw? and is there a dyno sheet or video of the dyno?

Pretty much Full Bolt on + Meth.

Originally Posted by trive2

I'm not trying to say Worx is wrong because the vast majority of people I know have shared his sentiments, but I have had nothing but a fantastic experience with aftermarket dealer warranties. I have had over $4000 of work done on my 330i just under statutory warranty and it wasn't a hassle at all. Also had a dodgy dealer warranty on a Mitsubishi 380 and the warranty was paid for over about six months of Bitsaremissing repairs

I think if you're considering the 335i you won't be happy with the M3. I think it's a car that you need to want exclusively because its so much more than go, stop and turn. Personally I would M3 it because of the raspy NA engine and E46 chassis. Not a fan of the E93 at all. HOWEVER, I honestly think in the grand scheme of things an E93 is probably a better car... especially with a bit of gear on it.
Mind you, I would suspect in a couple of years an E93 may become a maintenance pig...

In General WORX is spot on the money, the usual aftermarket warranty costs the dealer about $149 for 3 years and is essentially not worth the paper its written on, not that it wont cover a small amount of repair, but more because it specifies where the repair is done, hence controlling the cost (ie inflating so the recoup) and also stipulates 6 monthly servicing, hence it is basically snake oil.

The Allianz warranty is very different. It costs at the very least about $1850 (this is cost price and near impossible to get) for 3 years and normally retails around the $3k mark. Dealers don't chuck it in for free like the other warranties and it was originally introduced for Land Rovers ( LR RR RRS ) and if you read the feedback on the oz land rover forums you will hear alot of good feedback. They have pretty stringent requirements on what cars are covered and what the condition and mileage needs to be, but once your covered, its basically a factory warranty with all its requirements as per the factory requirements.

It is essentially an insurance policy, not so much an aftermarket warranty.

Have to admit, 320rwkw would be alot of fun under foot again ...

Originally Posted by Turbo BMW

Just curious, what mods were required to take the 335i to 320rwkw? and is there a dyno sheet or video of the dyno?

Sorry, I don't have any dyno sheets at hand, but if you Google it you can find lots of 335's with over or on 300 @ the wheels, but you have to run a meth setup and 16.5 PSI.

Also all the other normal bolt on bits

Look up RB turbos for 335, they look fun

Here is a video

Originally Posted by trive2

I'm not trying to say Worx is wrong because the vast majority of people I know have shared his sentiments, but I have had nothing but a fantastic experience with aftermarket dealer warranties. I have had over $4000 of work done on my 330i just under statutory warranty and it wasn't a hassle at all. Also had a dodgy dealer warranty on a Mitsubishi 380 and the warranty was paid for over about six months of Bitsaremissing repairs

I think if you're considering the 335i you won't be happy with the M3. I think it's a car that you need to want exclusively because its so much more than go, stop and turn. Personally I would M3 it because of the raspy NA engine and E46 chassis. Not a fan of the E93 at all. HOWEVER, I honestly think in the grand scheme of things an E93 is probably a better car... especially with a bit of gear on it.
Mind you, I would suspect in a couple of years an E93 may become a maintenance pig...

I have had two major claims rejected. It can happen. Not saying they never pay out, guess they would get shut down if they did that.

Originally Posted by RaihaX

Pretty much Full Bolt on + Meth.

Thanks for the info Worx and RaihaX. What does a full bolt on entail? a larger turbo?

Originally Posted by Turbo BMW

Thanks for the info Worx and RaihaX. What does a full bolt on entail? a larger turbo?

pretty much my mod list (downpipes, intercooler, intake, tune)

upgraded turbos should give you 350~

Justin @ Advan Performance car is FBO + meth + upgraded twins and he dynoed at 349.9 rwkw

Originally Posted by Turbo BMW

Thanks for the info Worx and RaihaX. What does a full bolt on entail? a larger turbo?

As Rai has mentioned, FBO mods are the ones that are just that... simple bolt on/off mods.

Upgraded turbo(s) usually comes after you get bored of the FBO phase lol... but 300rwkw out of 3-5k worth of mods is pretty enticing and provides for a lot of entertainment without upgrading turbos.

SOLVING YOUR DILEMA: Get the e93 335d M hardtop convertible. However, I would still advise you to stick with the e46 m3 naturally aspirated engine over the 335's turbos... I noticed quite an annoying few seconds of constantly waiting for the turbos to kick in. HPFP on 335's were a pain the ass & BMW hasn't done a good job of fixing it either... my buddy's M5 has been planted waiting for a fix on the HPFP system. Also, weight issue on the hardtop 335... once the hardtop comes down... a lot more of the weight has been distributed unevenly to the back end of the car.

IMHO, I enjoy the raspiness of my M3 using CAI... the 335i OE mufflers didn't make much sound at all (and paying $4K for a quality sound & at most ~32hp is the worst waste of $$$ ever. If you spend the money and get a quality Supercharger on the e46 M3... no 335 M or no M can match it...

Please excuse if someone has already mentioned these in the previous posts.

Originally Posted by fcychan

IMHO, I enjoy the raspiness of my M3 using CAI... the 335i OE mufflers didn't make much sound at all (and paying $4K for a quality sound & at most ~32hp .

Bullshit. unplug the flap and put down pipes on. That is all you need for it to make noise. or just unplug the flap.

I've driven both and I honestly preffered the e46 in every way. The sound, the drive (suspension and feeling), the interior quality, the aesthetics and the overall feeling.

Originally Posted by Worx

Bullshit. unplug the flap and put down pipes on. That is all you need for it to make noise. or just unplug the flap.

The man has never heard a fully catless no resonator n54

that thing is RASPY!

Originally Posted by fcychan

SOLVING YOUR DILEMA: Get the e93 335d M hardtop convertible. However, I would still advise you to stick with the e46 m3 naturally aspirated engine over the 335's turbos... I noticed quite an annoying few seconds of constantly waiting for the turbos to kick in. HPFP on 335's were a pain the ass & BMW hasn't done a good job of fixing it either... my buddy's M5 has been planted waiting for a fix on the HPFP system. Also, weight issue on the hardtop 335... once the hardtop comes down... a lot more of the weight has been distributed unevenly to the back end of the car.

IMHO, I enjoy the raspiness of my M3 using CAI... the 335i OE mufflers didn't make much sound at all (and paying $4K for a quality sound & at most ~32hp is the worst waste of $$$ ever. If you spend the money and get a quality Supercharger on the e46 M3... no 335 M or no M can match it...

Please excuse if someone has already mentioned these in the previous posts.

no problem with HPFP at all now days...

put a single turbo on the 335i and no supercharged e46 m3 can catch it... ?

Ray, you gotta take me for a drive in your beast! there s a BCI cruise coming up on 28th Oct...later arvo/night cruise!

Originally Posted by Rajvosa

Ray, you gotta take me for a drive in your beast! there s a BCI cruise coming up on 28th Oct...later arvo/night cruise!

Calling an automatic 135 a beast!?

Didnt realise it was Auto Rai.....

Originally Posted by RaihaX

put a single turbo on the 335i and no supercharged e46 m3 can catch it... ?

Just pray the road doesnt have any corners lol.

A stock 335 is the worst car if you ever have to turn a corner fast. It floats, body rolls, understeers and with no LSD makes it a terrible cornering experience. Its def nice to cruise and drag S15's and put M3 parts on to pretend but thats about it...

Originally Posted by Rajvosa

Ray, you gotta take me for a drive in your beast! there s a BCI cruise coming up on 28th Oct...later arvo/night cruise!

hahah i will see if i can make it to the cruise - is at 4 PM right?

Originally Posted by rossim3

Calling an automatic 135 a beast!?

Didnt realise it was Auto Rai.....

is my daily driver

Originally Posted by rossim3

Just pray the road doesnt have any corners lol.

A stock 335 is the worst car if you ever have to turn a corner fast. It floats, body rolls, understeers and with no LSD makes it a terrible cornering experience. Its def nice to cruise and drag S15's and put M3 parts on to pretend but thats about it...

with every right corner there will be a left corner somewhere so if you keep going straight you will get back on the road!

ps. have you seen the new evolve blower for the S65 looks freaking sweet really want a S65 now !

Originally Posted by RaihaX

with every right corner there will be a left corner somewhere so if you keep going straight you will get back on the road!

very good point Rai! The only time you should ever need to turn the steering wheel in your 335 is when doing max doughies oustide Lidcombe station.